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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 3: Player Analysis

Postby SAStar777 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:18 am

Eclipsed wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 3:36 pm
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- There was absolutely no point in talking to SAStar and interrogating him night 1
I still have no idea what his plan there with this was, LOL
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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 3: Player Analysis

Postby Radiance » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 am

Eclipsed wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 3:36 pm
Radiance
- You should not have said that nurse has not claimed in public chat, that gave mafia a plan for using the bartender. Instead something better would’ve been I have not received a blue claim.
This was to lure the bartender thus giving me more chances to find a green.

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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 3: Player Analysis

Postby Eclipsed » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:13 am

Radiance wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 am
Eclipsed wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 3:36 pm
Radiance
- You should not have said that nurse has not claimed in public chat, that gave mafia a plan for using the bartender. Instead something better would’ve been I have not received a blue claim.
This was to lure the bartender thus giving me more chances to find a green.
In that case it would have been better to wait until the nurse died or lie that deputy hasnt claimed when they in fact already. Since an earlier claim wouldve been a lot more believable. Part of ideas in mafia is basically when you do it also.

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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 4: Player Analysis

Postby Eclipsed » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:48 am

Mafia 4 Log
Mafia 4 Actions

Player Analysis
Blues
ShadowStarX
- The fyrenova lynch could have been more along the lines he’s most inactive currently so let’s lynch him rather than meta-gaming reasons, but I’ll ignore that for rating since he was lynched for inactivity by the rest of the town and it didn’t impact the game that much
- You did a phenomenal job pretending you weren’t a special role but offering yourself for the jester and getting Flatkiwi to act like that doctor was inactive.
- You also were basically the lead of the town alliance and managed to carry it through the game
- Moreover, one night you managed to get 2 mafia killed through manipulating the SK to switch their kill and making an agreement along with Flatkiwi to have the Jester kill mosaic
- In essence you locked a win for town 2 entire cycles before the game ended due to the SK switch.
computerfan0
- You did a good job within the town alliance just talking about to kill and making decision
- You also correctly informed the town alliance that Oshi was not killed after the shot
- I feel like you could have contributed more in general chat, but ah well.
FlatKiwi
- You did a good job setting forth the town alliance and participating to the discussion
- I don’t know exactly why you went on alert night 2 except to avoid an RNG kill.
- You also helped incorporate The Thwomp King into town alliance so that’s a plus
LGLMaking
- You did a good job as the sheriff incorporating ShadowStarX into discussions after you inspected
- You also followed along town alliance and payed attention to the discussion
- I feel like you were way too reliant on the alliance need, but it’s your first game as a blue, and should just improve working more stuff on your own so it’s more fun that way
TheHelmetGuy
- You were the dissector and claimed to FlatKiwi at some point after no counterclaims came up
- You also had good dissection choices by gauging what town was talking about and without input from a town alliance.
- Shame you literally didn’t get to use your role’s ability at all.
Radiance
- You have died night 1 so you really could not do anything during the game
- You memed to have someone visit you which could have attracted doctor also not only SK.
- That means planning to go on alert could’ve backfired immediately also, so neutral rating

Townspeople
MECHDRAGON
- You were a townsperson and contributed to chat this round and stayed fairly active
- Thank you for playing, also not much happened except that you voted for dawnfire
Sancles
- You did fine as a townsperson as you were active enough during the game
- Your goal was to both get dawnfire lynched for being shady and direct a kill to you.
TayCamGame
- You participated in town chat and were fairly active during it and contributed to the discussion
- I appreciate you being active and as a result helping the game run smoothly there
Novarender
- You have died night 1 so you really could not do anything during the game, so neutral rating
Saltlord
- I have a feeling that throughout the entire game that you were just kind of there
- You contributed to town discussions when you felt you had something to say at the very end
Dawnfire
- You had a plan to fake being jester and gauge how people react to it during the game
- I appreciate you attempting new strategies but I have no idea how that was going to work

Mafia and Third Party
TheThwompKing
- You wanted to play as a town-sided jester so I’ll gauge this analysis based off of that
- You made a deal with town alliance to let them in and also allow you to be lynched in exchange for a non town alliance kill.
- You also pretended you were the SK and mafia actually picked up that they thought you were the Serial Killer somehow.
- Pretending you were SK allowed the mafia to basically avoid targeting you
- And allowed you to basically set yourself to win halfway throughout the game.
Davide
- You did a good job within your team contributing your input into discussions
- You also did a fairly good job evading suspicion until the literal endgame of the fourth game.
Mosaic
- You did a good job within your team contributing your input into discussions
- You also did a good job coming up with really creative plans and it’s just a shame that they really never had the chance to execute because some of them would be really good
- You also did a fairly good job evading suspicion until the endgame of the fourth game.
- Your suspicions for what you thought made sense and basically you just got outplayed
SAStar
- In essence, probably the same exact review as Mosaic except that you used your role in logical ways that made sense as a confusion target for town and delayed it one phase to avoid graverobber-janitor shenanigans
Oshi
- You did a a fairly good job with your kill targets and evading suspicion throughout the game
- You basically were kind of screwed out endgame due to a vigilante kill attempt
- It’s good that you were only suspected near the end of the game and didn’t blow your cover
- You were also outplayed by the town alliance so there’s that going for it.
FyreNova
- You honestly did fine this game as you were voted for a really bad reason and you really were not afforded the opportunity this game to receive the chance to do anything so neutral rating
- The only main issue in your game was that you didn’t cooperate with your teammates as well when they asked to snipevote, not that I think it would have mattered that much
- Besides that you really did not have a huge impact on the game so neutral rating

Best Plays of Mafia 4
1. ShadowStarX’s SK redirection
- Based on a hunch, SSX told town alliance to try to shoot Oshi during the night
- As a result, town alliance figured out that Oshi was SK early into the game
- Oshi was planning on killing ShadowStarX on night 4, but plans went awry
- ShadowStarX made a compelling argument that nudged Oshi towards killing mafia
- As a result 2 mafia died in one night instead of him and this set a guaranteed win for town four phases before the game ended since town was planning on inspecting SAStar next
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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 4: Player Analysis

Postby SAStar777 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:20 pm

Ummm...
Eclipsed wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:48 am
Townspeople
TheHelmetGuy
- You were the dissector and claimed to FlatKiwi at some point after no counterclaims came up
- You also had good dissection choices by gauging what town was talking about and without input from a town alliance.
- Shame you literally didn’t get to use your role’s ability at all.
Why is Helmet under the Townspeople category and not the Blues category?
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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 4: Player Analysis

Postby Saltlord » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:25 pm

Also, you accidentally replaced the actual M3 player analysis with the M4 player analysis.

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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 5: Player Analysis

Postby Mosaic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:01 pm

Oshi, The Doctor
- Didn't want to protect Eclipsed Night 1 as you considered him incompetent (dunno what to say yet)
- was rather inactive throughout the game.
- Though they got in contact with Bird late on in the game, still didn’t exactly do much and just followed Bird’s lead.

Sastaryu, A Townsperson
- Had generally been active and did...stuff throughout the game, nothing exactly notable though.


Davide, A Townsperson
- Died night 1, not much to say

_FyreNova, A Townsperson
- You did things I guess.


Eclipse, A Townsperson
- Claiming Sheriff Night 1, while risky, was still a smart plan to get arsonist to waste a douse, however, they kinda saw through this and didn't end up dousing you.
- Also, switching around your inspection results wasn't really the smartest move and hurt your credibility among the townspeople.
- However, it still ended up working out as your goal (I presume) was to take attention off of the real sheriff, which in that regard, that was a smart move.
- Was able to confirm the masons with a strategy involving the vig, which was another well done move as well.
- Also fake a bartender fakeclaim to confuse the mafia further, not a bad move either.
- Pretty much acted as the Town and Alliance leader up until he died.

Mech, The Vigilante
- You took a risk with shooting Eclipsed Night 2, which to that I don't exactly blame you, but it failed as Oshi also protected Eclipsed ontop of this.
- Claimed Vig to confirm why Eclipsed was targeted, not actually the worst move as Mafia hit a night-immune and therefore people would have assumed otherwise he was hit by mafia.
- Overall pretty good performance.


Dawn, A Townsperson
- Counterclaimed Eclipsed as he had contact with the real sheriff and viewed Eclipsed as scum because of that, which is understandable, simply didn't see Eclipsed strategy there.
- Kept attention off of the real sheriff along with Eclipsed, good job on that.
- Confused the Mafia and tricked arsonist into eventually wasting a douse, good play.


Helmet, The Amnesiac
- Generally inactive for most of the game, and almost lost on night 4 before mafia switched targets last minute, but it still worked out.
- But really didn’t contribute much at all in general both before and after taking after mech.


Taycamgame, The Arsonist
- Good job outplaying Eclipsed's early sheriff fakeclaim and dousing someone else.
- Played pretty well throughout the game and never really made any bad plays.
- odds weren't in his favor as mafia kept killing his douse targets unintentionally.
- Tried making an alliance with mafia toward the end of the game, despite it ultimately being meaningless considering the alliance at that point in the game.
- Made however what could have been a bad move on Day 5 by vote shifting a bunch especially given one of his reasons was basically player bias, however, given it wasn’t important to the outcome, didn’t affect things much at all.

Saltlord, the Bartender
- Played pretty decently, but there's not much notable to bring up, in general didn’t play bad, there just wasn’t much that could be done about your situation by the end of the game.

LGL, The Nightrider
- Can't think of too many notable things immediately, you did and the team did what mafia would normally do if they found a potential TP, not sure what to say.
- Made a slip-up which indicted him, not really good…
- Was also kinda reluctant at helping out his teammates due to not liking his role.

SSX, A Mason
- Didn’t talk with Pasya much.
- Claimed immediately when suspected, in a way, it worked out, as if you waited, it would have looked like a last resort defense as a mafia possibly.
- But didn't immediately reveal their ally, which was a good move on your part.
- Was in general active for the first half of the game, but kinda fell off in the second.

Computerfan, The Millwright
- Made a bad move saying aloud that they were attacked last night, which ultimately lead to his lynching.
- And also mainly just memed the whole game instead of contributing.
- You also then fakeclaimed arsonist out of anger, which really wasn't a good move on your part and just sealed your fate at that point.

Jordan, The Voteblocker
- Played okay, but kinda picked vote targets randomly, and also was rather inactive ontop of this, not much notable.

Bird, the REAL Sheriff
- Good job not publicly counterclaiming Eclipsed and instead laying low when he did, shows you've learned from M27 on Minigame Plaza.
- In general, kept close contact with the alliance and made good decisions in regards to inspection targets and managed to stay hidden for pretty much the entire game ontop of that.

Pasya, A Mason
- Pretty inactive, not much notable to be brought up.

Best Plays Of The Game
The Entirety Of The Dawn+Eclipsed Sheriff Fakeclaim Ordeal: Though Eclipsed wasn’t exactly the most trustworthy, it can be said for sure that thanks to Eclipsed starting what he did the first night of the game, this really worked out for the town in the long run, by getting the arsonist to waste a douse on him, in conjunction with Bird laying low in all of this happen, it confused both the Mafia and TP alot, and contributed to the fact that all the specials survived for as long as they did.

Each Team Overall
Mafia Overall
To be frank, the mafia had a rather mediocre performance, while they didn’t really play badly for the most part(other than one specific instance). They didn’t exactly do anything notable in the grand scheme of the game that you’d normally do in a mafia game, and in the end saw that the town’s victory was inevitable given their situation.

Town Overall
In general was a pretty mixed bag, several players played really good, the doctor and sheriff stayed very well hidden for pretty much the entire game while a handful of players were active despite not making many notable plays while some were straight up inactive and barely spoke. One player even fake claimed a scum role, which was really not a good move and only served to confuse the town further than they already were. In general, the town was so all over the map to the point where one can’t really be drawn when judging it overall.


Third Parties Overall
The third parties were pretty much polar opposites in regards to how they played. The Arsonist, in general, played pretty well, they didn’t immediately fall for Eclipsed’s bait to get arsonist to waste a douse, and along with this was able to stay very well hidden for most of the game, only being found out due to the alliance narrowing them down through confirmations and such.

The Amnesiac, however, was very inactive for the entire game, both before and after taking after the vigilante’s role, really didn’t contribute much, nearly lost the game night 4 by not taking after the Mason the previous day phase, though they ended up taking a win, it was mainly thanks to being carried by their teammates.

My Personal Thoughts
Overall, other than one early game incident, I’d say this game went pretty well, people actually talked and discussed where it counted. A lot of game discussion went on behind the scenes, and overall, not many people really made any kind of bad plays that screwed over their respective teams in a severe manner. And along with this, unlike in alot of other games, the town actually made an alliance in a way that felt earned and wasn’t just a procedure that boiled down to “role claims, other roles claim to it, follow everything alliance says, or die” which is a gameplay style I really wish to see go given how much is been overdone at this point in the mafia community. I hope to continue to see unique and interesting games play out in manners like this going forward and in general, if people keep playing games in a way that mixes things up, it’ll keep this community fresh and alive and I’d say will be around awhile, so hopely we can see that going into next game’s host signups this weekend! See you there!

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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 5: Player Analysis

Postby SAStar777 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:12 pm

Um, Mosaic, you might want to add the complete game log and the actions spreadsheet to the start of the analysis post.
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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 5: Player Analysis

Postby Mosaic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:14 pm

SAStar777 wrote:
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Um, Mosaic, you might want to add the complete game log and the actions spreadsheet to the start of the analysis post.
oh, yeah, will do once I get that done aswell.

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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 6: Player Analysis

Postby Mosaic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:20 pm

Az, The Deciever
- You said it yourself, your fakeclaim should not have worked, but yet it did, and as a result, you gained the town’s trust for pretty much the entirety of the game, avoided getting lynched, and even got the town to think Mech was Deciever when they were in reality the real dissector.
- Though this really helped lead your team to victory, it honestly wasn’t that impressive on either end as town activity, or more of, inactivity was the bigger reason for this.
- However you were generally still active with your teammates behind the scenes as well as in the town chat so there is that to commend.

LGL, The Consigiliere
- Didn’t really do too much notable throughout the game and mainly followed with what his teammates asked and generally stayed hidden, though this was honestly more a result of town inactivity and mafia pretty much controlling the game, so yeah.

TTK, The Trickster
- Was generally active in discussing the mafia plans throughout the game and did a good job overall of stay hidden.
- Was in general pretty active and made contributions to their team where they could.

Pasya, The Guard
- Was VERY inactive for pretty much the entirety of when they were alive, not submitting their action even once, only showing up once to place a vote, which was the very thing that lead to them being lynched off.
- A rule of thumb when playing mafia is, if you’re going to join, actually play, ESPECIALLY if you’re an important role.

Kirby, The Doctor
- Yet another special that was very inactive and needed constant reminders to be active.
- Made a bad move when he did use his ability in healing FYRENOVA for some reason night 3, when it was clear it should have been his priority to heal who seemed more important to the town, instead of someone VERY unlikely to be targeted.
- And then when getting lynched at the end of the game, also didn’t do anything about it(though I won’t hold things too hard in this case given that you may have had irl things going on, idk)

Mech, the REAL Dissector
- Like all the other specials, was notoriously inactive throughout the game, needing to be constantly reminded alot to submit their actions(though to be fair, they had a couple times they submitted without reminder).
- When it was very clear that not only did Az fakeclaim his role and did he know about it, but ontop of this, Bounty Hunter was dead therefore there wasn’t a danger of that coming up, decides to NOT counterclaim him, even though it was very clear, town trusted Az due to lack of counterclaim.
- This is onto of the fact that counterclaiming wouldn’t have even been a bad idea given that mafia killing him for counterclaiming wouldn’t be smart given as all roles that could nightkill the town other than mafia were confirmed dead at this point, and if mafia nightkilled him, it would have confirmed that Az IS NOT THE DISSECTOR, but because of not counterclaiming combined with Town’s gullibleness, this lead to them believing they were the Deceiver, something that was just mechanically impossible.

Bird, The Graduate
- Now, I gotta be fair for a moment, you actually DID try to get in contact with some people after you took after Pasya and used their action one single time, and on my end, that was my bad that Az didn’t have me friended and therefore I couldn’t set the thing up, however, I’ll be honest, if your intent was CLAIMING to Az, you’d probably be red given how clear it was that Az being Dissector was a lie, if it wasn’t however and was more of an interrogation thing, you’d most likely be green, but given I don’t know, this is the rating i’m giving you.
- This is also because of the fact that up until you took up Pasya’s role, you weren’t all that too active.

Saltlord, The Creditor
- While no notable plays immediately come to mind, it can still be commended that you were one of the few players who actually were somewhat active in the spawn of the game, and ontop of this, didn’t blindly follow Az’s claim, and rightfully so, it wasn’t trustworthy in the slightest.

Jordan, A Townsperson
- Was sorta there...and inactive...yeah...that’s all I have to say.

Computerfan, A Townsperson
- Once again, was very inactive and didn’t do much.

Davide, A Townsperson
- Was in general very inactive.
- However, they were planning to bring up Az as a suspect on Day 4 before being killed the night before, rip.

Fyrenova, A Townsperson
“Once again, was very inactive and didn’t do much.”
Sastar, A Townsperson
- Sucks that you got taken out night 1, you probably would have actually been active unlike pretty much the entirety of the town in this game, if SSX had been the night 1 target instead, maybe the game would have went different.

Taycamgame, The Slum
- Was one of the few people that were actually active, however, in this activity, acted as a MASSIVE liability to the town.
- Not only did they fully believe Az’s claim past mild suspicion that honestly should have been alot stronger than it actually was, but pretty much all the stars aligned to show Az was lying, from things like Graduate being unaware until a special dies when no specials were, to Az switching up his claim, to Az also claiming that some who was NIGHTKILLED with bounty hunter dead was mafia were all things that should have been really easy to see through yet he didn’t.
- And as a result of this, encouraged the specials to do things like protect Az despite how obvious it was that he wasn’t on their side.
- This is in combination with the fact that you also got two specials lynched, though to be fair in that regard, inactivity was more of the issue combined with you not knowing they were specials, so this isn’t really a bad thing.

ShadowStarX, The Bounty Hunter

- Was rather inactive throughout the game, only submitting one action, though ironically they visited their target night 1, so there’s that.

Best Plays Of The Game
None, absolutely none, the game in general was so much of a ghost town that there’s not much notable to say, there was no insane bluffs, no massive risks taken, not much deducing on what people’s roles are, none of that, so yeah…instead, let’s make this:
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Best Worst Plays Of The Game
Az’s Claim and Everything Based Around It: Not only was it a bad move on Az’s part to try to claim a role that isn’t aware until a special dies to begin with, but what’s even worse is how the active players, specifically Taycam reacted to it. Most people that were active and town sided just shrugged it off, ignored it, didn’t notice it, or were just inactive, and as a result Az pretty much was able to control the town as another thing was this.

Wasn’t it the least bit suspicious the mafia didn’t even try to target Az ONCE? Apparently not to the town, and perhaps if the real Dissector counterclaimed as they even KNEW they claimed their role, everything could have went differently.

Teams Overall
Mafia Overall
Had a pretty easy time taking over the game and controlling the town, and ontop of this, some things just happened to go really well for them, for example, rng picking the Bounty Hunter night 1, the very role being a potential big threat to their team, this is in combination with the town’s inactivity which really allowed them a straight up flawless victory, given they didn’t lose a single member as well to boot.
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Town Overall
It was a mess in general, most people were inactive, just about every player that had an important role barely submitted, people had to be constantly reminded to submit visit targets, and people that were active either did nothing to stop the mafia, or were super gullible and followed through blindly with Az’s claim, in generally, very disappointing and poor gameplay overall.

Third Party Overall
Really didn’t get to do much given the unthankfulness of Rngesus choosing them as the Mafia’s night 1 target with them then killing them night 2 as well as their own lack of activity, so yeah…

My Personal Thoughts
This entire game was both a ghost town, but also a massive cringefest, a ghost town given the massive amounts of inactivity from most of the town, and a cringefest because of the entire ordeal surrounding Az’s claim, or fakeclaim to be more accurate.

I feel that, going forward, if you’re thinking of joining a mafia game, ACTUALLY PLAN TO BE active, because if you don’t, not only are you being a massive hindrance to your team, but in general it makes the entire game less fun for everyone ontop of this.

This is in conjunction with the fact that the Bounty Hunter role dying early in both instances it was used and the Guard role being a role we could only see in action once throughout game sucked as well, though the former was just rng being unthankful, the latter was yet another issue of the massive inactivity that plagued the entire game.

Hopefully next game going forward turns out better, but this game was just not it.

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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 5: Player Analysis

Postby Cedur » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:05 pm

Some few names I never heard before (Az, Pasya, Kirby, Bird) ... where are they coming from?
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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 5: Player Analysis

Postby Mosaic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:09 pm

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Some few names I never heard before (Az, Pasya, Kirby, Bird) ... where are they coming from?
Az is Xdestory, Bird is Teh Current/Wingless Bird(they're new), Pasya and Kirby/Swiss are also new players

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Re: Mafia Revival: Mafia 5: Player Analysis

Postby xDestroy » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:25 pm

we never talk about this game
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